Stop Fixing Yourself, Derek Rydall and the Law of Emergence

Derek Rydall on the Law of Emergence and Near Death Transformation, Give A Heck Podcast with Dwight Heck

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Most people spend their lives trying to fix, change, and improve themselves into something better. Derek Rydall nearly died before he discovered the flaw in that approach. Everything you are looking for is already inside you. The only question is whether you are willing to let it emerge.

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Real conversations and solo episodes about purpose, financial stewardship, mindset, leadership, and intentional living. This episode goes deep on identity, near-death transformation, and the principle that changed how Derek Rydall teaches human potential.

 

🔍 Episode Overview

Derek Rydall grew up as a curious, creative oddball who felt he never quite fit. He devoured books, took apart everything he could find, and spent years in self-help programs trying to fix what felt broken. None of it worked. What came next was not a breakthrough. It was a near-death experience in a coral reef off Jamaica that shattered everything he thought he knew about himself and how human beings are meant to grow.

 

In the first of two conversations, Dwight Heck and Derek explore the origin story behind one of the most distinctive ideas in personal development today: the Law of Emergence. Derek makes a direct case that the Law of Attraction, as most people practice it, is built on a fundamentally flawed premise. It assumes you are lacking something. The Law of Emergence assumes the opposite. Everything you desire is already inside you, waiting for the right conditions to come forward.

 

Derek shares how watching an acorn cracked his entire worldview open, how losing his son became one of the most transformative experiences of his life, and why the painful conditions most people spend their lives escaping are often the very ones that unlock what was always there.

 

Derek’s latest book, A Whole New Human: 10 Ways We Must Evolve to Survive and Thrive in the AI Age, published in February 2025, argues that the greatest threat of artificial intelligence is not that machines will replace us. It is that we will become more like them, outsourcing our creativity, judgment, and intuition until we lose the qualities that make us irreplaceable. That conversation goes deeper in Part 2, coming in the next few weeks.

 

📚 What You Will Learn in This Episode

  • What the Law of Emergence is and how it fundamentally differs from the Law of Attraction
  • Why trying to fix and improve yourself may be the very thing keeping you stuck
  • How a near-death experience in a coral reef became the turning point of Derek’s life
  • What the acorn teaches us about human potential and purpose
  • Why the painful conditions in your life may be activating what was always inside you
  • How losing his son put a fire in Derek that changed everything he teaches
  • Why self-awareness, not effort, is the missing ingredient for most people
  • A preview of Derek’s new book, A Whole New Human and why it matters right now

 

📑 Chapter Summaries

0:00  Who Is Derek Rydall

Dwight introduces Derek and sets up the conversation with a compelling framing of the central question: not what can I build, but what does it mean to be human.

2:25  Brothers from Another Mother

Derek and Dwight discover their shared background in computing, electronics, and the insatiable need to take things apart and understand how they work.

4:03  The Origin Story

Derek describes growing up as the creative oddball in his family, his genius IQ, his need to belong, and a childhood shaped by a father who threw out his art and a mother who said he could do anything.

9:10  Mr. Goody and the Piano Shop

A vivid memory of the piano teacher who ignited Derek’s love of music by playing the Boogie Woogie in a cramped shop stacked floor to ceiling with pianos, and what that taught him about passion versus perfection.

11:12  The Oddball Path

Derek reflects on the loneliness of walking a singular path and how family and friends eventually came back, meeting him at a higher level than before.

17:33  The Forest Fire Principle

Derek introduces the Jack Pine as a metaphor for human transformation. Some seeds will not open without a fire, and the conditions that feel like destruction are often the conditions that make growth possible.

18:27  Law of Attraction vs Law of Emergence

Dwight asks Derek to explain the difference. Derek walks through a decade of self-improvement that only deepened his sense of lack, what drove him to overdose, and why the Law of Attraction operates from the wrong premise entirely.

22:10  The Near Death Experience

Trapped in a coral reef off Jamaica with no way out, Derek surrendered. What happened next shattered the self he had been trying to fix and revealed something underneath that had never been damaged.

25:40  The Acorn Revelation

Pulling out of society as a monk, Derek sees an acorn and everything shifts. The oak is already in the acorn. Everything you desire is a signal of something already inside you, not something you need to go out and get.

30:27  Becoming a Gardener of Your Soul

Derek explains what it means to stop making things happen and start creating conditions that are a match for the seed inside you. The shift from achiever to gardener.

38:50  True Abundance Is Not What You Think

Abundance is not what you attract or accumulate. It is the degree to which you allow more of yourself to come out. Real success is measured in self-expression, not possessions.

43:35  Dwight’s Story and the Willing

Dwight opens up about losing his granddaughter in 2017 and the regression that followed. The question he asks every client: are you the willing?

47:25  Losing a Son

Derek shares the loss of his son, a musician on the verge of his breakthrough, and how that grief became one of the most profound catalysts of his life and his work.

53:40  When the Form Shatters, the Love Is Liberated

A pivotal moment on a walk where a voice told Derek that when the form that held his love shatters, the love is not lost. It is liberated. What that shift opened up in him.

55:10  The Baby Chick and the Egg

Derek closes with a powerful metaphor about the baby chick that finds nourishment in a cramped, dark shell and in doing so strengthens itself enough to crack it open into a larger world.

57:13  Part 2 Is Coming

Dwight wraps Part 1 and previews the upcoming conversation on Derek’s new book A Whole New Human and what the AI age means for human identity and evolution.

 

🎯 Key Takeaway

You are not a work in progress. You are a seed with an oak already inside.

The effort most people pour into fixing, improving, and attracting a better version of themselves is built on the assumption that something is missing. Derek Rydall’s central argument is that this assumption is the problem. The Law of Emergence asks a different question entirely: what is already in you that has not yet had the right conditions to come forward? Answer that question, and everything changes.

 

💬 Continue the Conversation

🎙️ Why AI Is Breaking Your Organization, Sira Laurel on Staying Human

A natural companion to this episode. Sira Laurel and Dwight explore what AI adoption is doing to human identity inside organizations, and why staying human is the most strategic move available.

🎙️ Why Leadership Burns Out High Performers, Sira Laurel Explains

Sira’s first conversation with Dwight covers what it means to be a highly sensitive person in a world built for a different kind of leader.

🎙️ Are You Drifting Through Life, Purpose and Direction

A solo episode from Dwight on the cost of living without intention and the first honest step toward changing it.

🎙️ Ken Kunken, Paralyzed at 20 and Built a 40-Year Legal Career

On identity, resilience, and what it means to rebuild your sense of self when everything changes at once.

🎙️ Turning Grief Into Story, John DeDakis

On loss, recovery, and the act of transforming painful experience into something that serves others.

 

🔑 Key Themes Discussed

  • The Law of Emergence and how it differs from the Law of Attraction
  • Near-death experience and identity transformation
  • Purpose, potential, and the seed inside every person
  • Grief, loss, and how tragedy can break you open rather than break you down
  • Self-awareness as the foundation of personal growth
  • The danger of outsourcing creativity and judgment in the AI age
  • A Whole New Human and the coming identity crisis of the AI era
  • Living life on purpose, not by accident

 

👤 About Derek Rydall

Derek Rydall is a bestselling author, speaker, and founder of the Law of Emergence. He spent his early years as a coder and actor before a near-death experience in a coral reef off Jamaica shattered his worldview and set him on a decades-long path to understand what human beings are actually made of and made for.

 

His books include Emergence, The Abundance Project, and his latest release, published in February 2025, A Whole New Human: 10 Ways We Must Evolve to Survive and Thrive in the AI Age. The book makes the case that the greatest threat of artificial intelligence is not job replacement. It is identity replacement. As humans outsource more of their thinking, judgment, and creativity to machines, they risk losing the very qualities that make them irreplaceable. Part 2 of this conversation goes deep into that argument.

 

His podcast, Emergence, has reached millions of downloads worldwide. He has worked with coaches, entrepreneurs, and creatives across the globe and is regarded as one of the most original voices in the human potential space.

 

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💭 Final Thoughts

Derek Rydall closed this first conversation with an image that is hard to shake. A baby chick in a cramped, dark, smelly shell, focusing not on why things are hard but on where the nourishment is. And in doing so, strengthening itself enough to crack the whole thing open.

That is the Law of Emergence in its simplest form. The breakdown is not the end. It is the activation. Part 2 is coming soon, and it takes everything Derek has built here into the territory of artificial intelligence, identity, and what it means to be irreplaceably human in a world that is moving very fast in the opposite direction.

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Full Transcript of Episode:

[00:01:25] Dwight: There’s a particular kind of person who spends their early life chasing intelligence through computers and code, and then has a single moment that tears all of that apart and asks an entirely different question. Not what can I build, but what am I not? How do I optimise? But what does it mean to be human?

For today’s guest, that moment came at the edge of death. Welcome back to the Give Heck Podcast. I’m Dwight Heck, and this show exists to help you live life on purpose and not by accident. My guest today has spent decades answering the questions that his near death experience forced him to ask. Derrick Reel grew up as a coder.

He was deep in technology systems logic in the early world of computing. Before any of us were talking about artificial intelligence, that same curiosity about how things work took him from computers to the brain, from the brain to the mind, and eventually do something far bigger than either. He is a bestselling author of multiple books, including Emergence and the Abundance Project, and his podcasts.

The same name has reached millions of downloads around the world. His work has reached coaches, entrepreneurs, and creatives. And now at a moment when the world is wrestling with artificial intelligence means for human beings, he has written a book that pulls everything together, a whole new human, 10 ways we must evolve to survive and thrive in the AI age was published in February of this year.

It makes a case most people have not heard of yet, that the real threat of AI is not the machines will replace us. It is that we will become more like them than an outsourcing outthinking. Our creativity, our judgement , and our intuition to technology. We lose the very qualities that make us human. And that’s the answer is not to compete with machines, but to become more fully, deeply irreplaceably ourselves.

He has lived that message through things. No book could manufacture a near death experience. The loss of fortune, the death of a child. What he knows about transformation is not theoretical. It is reality. Derek, welcome to the Give a Heck podcast. Thanks so much for agreeing to come on and share with us some of your life journey.

[00:03:51] Derek: Hmm. Thank you, brother. It’s an honour and a pleasure to be here. There’s nothing left to say. You pretty much said it all.

[00:03:58] Dwight: I get told by people, your bios are too long, and I have people say, what? No, it’s great. I, I love when people, I didn’t realise how good I sounded when they tell me that.

Like, I didn’t realise until somebody talked about me. It usually I get people. Give me a little, just a little blurb. One of the things though, as I was reading your bio, I don’t know why it didn’t click in before I got into finance 25 years ago. I was a computer consultant for over 10 years. Right. I was a GX certified global internet security specialist.

I built servers, I dealt a lot of work with corporations. So we have a, we have, we have some commonalities, my friend.

Right? So I came from the IT world, which is really cool, but it isn’t about me. I just thought I’d interject and add that because it’s sometimes I think good to know. I, I obvious, I honestly believe people come into our lives for us.

Things don’t happen to us, happen for us. Absolutely. And I believe we were meant to get connected, together. So

Derek, all of us love starting at the beginning, like I mentioned prior to hitting record. I mean the real beginning because I genuinely believe that trials and struggles and the moments that shaped us growing up really are, are really, are our starting point and we don’t give enough credit.

And it helps the listeners and others including yourself. Sometimes people realise that when they’re telling me stuff, I’ve never talked about this before, and it creates that better connection. So, do me a favour, Derek, share whatever you feel comfortable about from your earliest recollections to now.

[00:05:25] Derek: Yeah, I mean, I, I can recollect all the way back to being born practically. ’cause I’ve done a lot of deep regression therapy. I was two and a half months premature and Oh wow. Like, and I can remember being in an incubator in the hospital. So that was something that was a, definitely a start. And, but I, I would say that.

What’s what, what’s the the most striking memory or awareness or thought about my childhood was, I was always in search of the truth. I was always a curious kid. I would go to friend’s houses and my one friend would be Jewish, one friend would be Buddhist, one friend might be Christian, one might be an atheist, one might, and I was always like, tell me about that.

Why do you do that? What does that, what does that mean? And then I was an artist and I and a and a musician. And so I was, I would go and I would work with a piano. Like I remember our one piano teacher, it was this old guy, Mr. Goody, and I didn’t like the other teacher. She was like this big German woman that was like, we must do these scales,

and I, and I didn’t hated scales, but Mr. Goody would come in and he would play the Boogie Woogie. And I would be like, show me how to do that. I just wanted to play, I just wanted to jam and I wanted to understand like where he came from and music and why was that? And the same with the artists, when I would talk.

So I was a very curious kid and I was in a very much a way, an ugly duckling, meaning I was the oddball in my family. I was both the most creative, the most curious, and ultimately, the most, ultimately the most successful early on even. ’cause I, I mean, my mom put me in like, a special educational thing to discover that I had a genius IQ and all this stuff.

So it was a really interesting, so childhood. But I, but I didn’t feel like I belonged. And that’s an important piece. I, I wanted to belong. I want, I was curious. I wanted to learn about everything, devoured books, sci-fi code, coding took apart everything. I could take apart much to the, the dismay of my parents, from, from computers.

When they finally came to VCRs, to sprinkler systems, to anything mechanical, I took it apart to know how it worked and then put it back together. Sometimes, sometimes there was just a pile of parts. And I, and I just went a little too far and couldn’t figure out how to put it back together. But I was always taking things apart and putting them together physically and conceptually, intellectually, creatively.

But I felt, but I was alone a lot. I felt alone. I felt odd. I even at a very, at a, in my teenage years, was very philosophical. And, and I used to just have these, these bouts of like, affirming my friends. I would just be like, man, you’re so, and I would just affirm them, tell ’em all the amazing things.

And I remember one of my friends going, they called, they coined it the love bomb. And it was like, I would just, they were just, they didn’t know what to do with it. They, they would make fun of me. All of that. And, and at the very early, at a very early age, I remember I never felt like my dad respected me.

And he, he would take my art stuff, throw it out, tell me I should be a businessman. And he was trying to protect me. And I have a great relationship with him now, but I remember I wanted him to help me. I knew there was more inside of me. I knew there was a reason I was here. That was what was driving the curiosity to know myself, to know what I’m here to be, to do.

And, and I wanted to have a relationship with my dad where he could guide me in, in, in doing that. And, and he instead just didn’t understand it. And, um, again, to be very clear now, he really respects it and it’s inspired him in his own ways. But, at the time he wanted me to fall, have something to fall back on.

Artists live below the poverty level. You have to be a businessman, a lawyer, a doctor, whatever. While at the same time, my mom was like, you can do anything you put your mind to. And I’m like, that’s not helping mom. I mean, it was like, thank you for validate, like, like supporting me, but I need somebody to tell me what is that thing.

And, and so that’s, that started at a very young age, the core question of my life, which was, I knew there was something more to me and by extension to, to everybody. And I had the question, what am I really made of or made for? What am I really here for? What is my work, my purpose? And that became the central driving question of my life.

and ultimately now it’s what I help, have helped hundreds of thousands of people do, is to just to answer that question, that goes all the way back to the oracle of Delphi. when, she, it was a woman by the way, and it wasn’t an affirmation, it was a warning. And she said, know thyself, you better know yourself or else.

So that was my journey, was trying to know myself. And it again, it led to many lonely periods, isolated periods, when I eventually, which you touched upon as I grew up, and I had a near death experience while doing a movie as an actor in Jamaica. And it cracked me open and I pulled outta society and I became a monk.

I left so much family, friends world behind because there just wasn’t rapport. People, my friends thought I had freaked out. My brother thought I’d gotten a lobotomy. I was no fun anymore. my mom was worried that I joined a cult, my dad, we already talked about. So it was very isolating because I was such an oddball, so to speak, at least in that culture that I had grown up in.

And so I had to walk a singular path for a while until I more fully knew myself, more fully embodied it. And then, and this is an interesting thing, was that then one by one. Family came back, but meeting me at a higher level, in fact, inspiring my mom to get on a spiritual path, inspiring my brother to get on a conscious growth path, inspiring, ultimately being of supporting my father and healing the relationship with his daughter.

And, and so one by one family came back stronger than ever. And also a whole new community of friendships and colleague ships that were meeting me at a higher level. But it was, it was very difficult, to walk that path. And, and you’ll see that if you, as you’ve done many interviews, probably you’ve heard people that have had the courage and sometimes the, the craziness to actually dare to be themselves and

[00:12:18] Dwight: Well, it’s a, it’s, it’s, it’s too and far between, unfortunately, that people don’t, aren’t self-aware of their greatness and what they can be.

Yet they go out and they constantly, people please, they constantly give away all their energy to keep very little for themselves.

[00:12:35] Derek: Yes.

[00:12:36] Dwight: They develop a tribe of people that are energy vampires in business. True. In their careers, in their family. Right. It really is great to hear this. That’s why I love the origin, because your discovery, you talk, even from Mr.

Goody, you talked about him. And I have not talked about, I write, notes I put down bullet points all over here already because you made me smile so often. It’s

[00:13:01] Derek: funny, I’ve never talked about Mr. Goody on a podcast or interview, and I’ve probably done thousands at this point.

so that’s pretty cool. That’s awesome. Thank you. That was a great memory. I remember just one, little detail.

[00:13:12] Dwight: Go ahead. Yeah.

[00:13:13] Derek: He taught in this piano shop and it was stacked with pianos everywhere, but, and you had to wind your way through. Parts,

[00:13:21] Dwight: stacks of

[00:13:21] Derek: books, stacks of things and pianos.

And it was a very n and then all the way back into this little almost crawl space with a upright piano and just enough room to squeeze in with. And Mr. Goody was sitting there and play and be taught like en encased in stacks of pianos and piano parts and things. And I would play in that little thing.

And I just remember that I haven’t had that memory for a long, it was really a special space, to go when

[00:13:51] Dwight: you drove up your passion instead of keeping it amongst. And the reason I say that is I, I look back at when I was younger and I ha I was taking classical guitar and the teacher I had, her name was Dorothy, super nice lady, but we did not connect.

For her it was always about scales and perfection. Yeah. Yeah. There was never just go ahead and try, let’s do it. Let’s exactly. Let’s jam, let’s figure it out. And she drove me away from wanting to play the guitar.

[00:14:15] Derek: That was what happened with my German piano teacher. Yeah. Nothing against German piano teachers.

I’m sure they’re very great in perception.

[00:14:22] Dwight: I get it.

[00:14:22] Derek: And now you actually wish I knew more about like musical theory and things like that ’cause she could have probably taken me there. Whereas, I still have the passion and the love for it that Mr. Goody installed and instilled it,

[00:14:34] Dwight: Which is awesome to hear, right?

Yeah. Again, I’m not against my former, I don’t even know if she’s still alive. It’s been so long.

But at the end of the day, again, commonalities you talked about, I love of connecting with other people’s origin stories. Obviously my listeners that have been with me for the last five years have heard lots about, different circumstances.

But one of the things you also mentioned that my listeners have never heard, I used to be that kid too. I went through electronics engineering technology. I got, in Canada here. went to college for it, graduated from it. Then I got into computers and I used to be that kid and my parents would get upset, I’d take things apart sometimes they could get it back together.

Yeah. And that’s why I smiled so big when you said sometimes it didn’t get back together. Yes. oh my gosh.

[00:15:20] Derek: It was just parts just strewn around me in the middle of the room.

[00:15:23] Dwight: Oh yeah. Oops. So,

[00:15:24] Derek: remind me a new blender, mom.

[00:15:26] Dwight: I get it. It’s just back to what I was saying, sometimes things happen for us, not to us and I think we’re destined to have a conversation, my friend.

Yes. We have so much in common. But yeah, it’s, I won’t go over the other bullet points here ’cause there’s so much I want to cover today. And we have a very limited amount of time, so we’re gonna go into, but if, if there’s anything else last you’d like to share about your origin before I go on.

[00:15:48] Derek: I just, I think, it’s just always interesting to look at the origins, that’s why, biographies are great.

For me is that what I eventually discovered with the emergence principle of the law of emergence. That there’s a seed of potential, a pattern of purpose in all of us in, and it’s also been called the di or the acorn theory, which is that the oak is in the acorn. And I talk about the acorn and the elk a lot in my book emergence, but that the clues of who and what we are and are really meant to be are there.

They really are there in our childhood, and sometimes they show up in ways that are obvious. Sometimes they show up inverted. Like, the kid that was, so scared and was always holding onto his mom’s purse strings and nervous and grew up to become one of the greatest bullfighters. It was like at a deep level, his soul or his mind was aware one day he would be facing death on a regular basis.

And so there was a, there. It’s just interesting to look at that. So as I’m thinking about my own childhood and my own origin story, it, it’s just really interesting to reflect that the conditions that appeared to be bad and hard, like you said, they were happening to me. My dad didn’t give me what I needed.

I was sad. I, I wanted my dad to be proud of me, but he never gave that to me, or so I thought I wanted, to have it be easy. I wanted to have friends and be liked, but I was kind of the oddball and all of these things that were really painful, and felt, I felt rejected, I felt abandoned in many ways were the very conditions that forced the activation and the deep diving and the digging down to discover what I really was like, like in nature.

The Jack Pine needs a forest fire. The forest fire melts the ous glue around the seed pods. They will not melt without a fire. And that conflagration opens them up, releases the progeny, allows for the birth of the new generation of that tree, opens the canopy, burns the detritus. It does so many amazing things without which that species and many species would fail to thrive and evolve.

[00:18:12] Dwight: And well, it affects the animals too.

[00:18:14] Derek: It affects the animals and everything when it’s natural in that way. And that the same thing happens in our own lives. The forest fires and the earthquakes and the tragedies and the abandoned, again, I don’t wish it upon anybody, but I recognise that was happening for me, that core wound was really a core initiation.

So it’s just great to see it again and think of it again and remember just how true that principle is. And again, it also taught me, ’cause I, because of all the pain and suffering, I had to understand what was the deeper meaning of it all. And it didn’t just teach me what the meaning of it all was. It showed me there is a mechanics to our own evolution, which is now what I write and teach about.

Like I like to say to people, the workshop you’ve been living is the one you will one day be giving.

[00:19:05] Dwight: It’s true though. I completely agree and it, I smile again because the next, the segment I wasn’t gonna go into is a law of emergence. Right. Let’s talk about it. So you, you did a great job thus far, already talking about it.

So let’s dive into it some more.

What one of, one of the things I referenced was the fact of the law of attraction, right? Yeah. It’s mention about the fact and those listening, the law of attraction, things like the Secret have their place, but without action, you’re just wasting your time reading that book or listening to anything to do with the law of attraction.

People take it out of context. They don’t know how to utilise it properly within their six inches, in my opinion. So I was glad I read that about, your own stuff and regarding like what is the difference?

[00:19:53] Derek: Yes.

[00:19:54] Dwight: Can you explain it? What’s the difference between the law of emergence versus the law of attraction?

Because this is your specialty.

[00:19:59] Derek: Yeah, and I used to say, I used to do talks, the unattractive side of the law of attraction and, deal with that. And basically, I had been trying to improve my self, self-help, self-improvement for many years before I had this breakdown, near death experience.

First I almost died of an overdose. And that was, I’d spent maybe a decade in self-improvement, self-improvement, fix, change, heal myself, fix, change, heal myself, attract, attract. And it, it was like digging myself out of a hole. The more I dug, the deeper and the hole I got, and I could describe all the reasons my life was messed up.

When I was 10 and I showed my dad the report card, and he saw all A’s and a B, and was like, what’s with the B Son? I could tell you my story, but it wasn’t, in, only thing it was improving was my ability to describe why I was so screwed up. It wasn’t actually making me feel better, I was more frustrated.

I was more, because I was so focused on what’s wrong with me? Why is this not working? Ah, and always coming from lack, always coming from, I’m not enough and I just need to be more, do more, et cetera. So that drove me to drink drugs and overdose. And then I came out of that and I ended up, I was an actor and I was starring in a movie in Jamaica.

And so then, and then I had the near death experience. And, out of that, in, without going into all the details, I was caught in a, in a coral reef underwater. Nobody knew I was there. And there was a moment where I knew I wasn’t gonna get out. I was done. I was exhausted. Night was falling. I was out in the middle of the ocean.

I was done for, and, and then in the moment, I, I tried to negotiate with God. I was like, please, I promise I’ll go to church on Sunday. Get me outta here. But life was, the universe wasn’t playing. Let’s make a deal. And there was a moment where I knew I wasn’t gonna make it. And all that was left was surrender.

I had nothing left and I let go. And in that moment, there was a flash of light, and I saw that the self I’d been trying to fix, change, heal, and improve was a fiction. He was an amalgamation of parental fantasy, peer pressure, societal conditioning, and nothing I would ever do would ever make him enough that the nature of him was limitation, lack, not enoughness, et cetera.

But in the midst of that, there was another self, and he had never been damaged or diminished, and so he didn’t need to be fixed, and he was already whole and complete, and so he could not be improved upon. Self-improvement to that self was an oxymoron. And again, this was a flash. I didn’t have all these words, I just experienced it.

And in the next moment, I was out of the coral reef standing on this piece of coral, the one and only piece I could see or not see. But the only piece I could have stood on, and I still don’t know how I got there, I was trapped underwater in what looked like a booby trapped tomb in an Indiana Jones movie with spiked coral everywhere.

That was, it would’ve just skewered me if I breathed too deeply, or if I went down fire, coral everywhere. There was no way out. And somehow after that flash, I was standing outside. I had somehow grabbed something or done something, but I still don’t quite know how. So I survived that ordeal, but it shattered something in me.

The man that swam in was not the one that swam out , and everything was so luminous. I didn’t really know how to make sense of things anymore, and so I pulled outta society. I became a monk. We won’t go into the monastery life, that, that would be for a different episode maybe, but that was, it was a short stint, but I ended up still staying monastic for a couple years in my apartment, got rid of tv, got rid of news, got rid of a lot of stuff, and went on this deep journey.

And that’s where one day I saw an acorn and it all, and, and I remember I couldn’t read any of the religious books, all I, I was curious as a kid, but when I tried to read ’em as an adult, it was all nonsense to me. After this experience, I went back, took ’em, I think the Bible was a doorstop.

And I think, I had used Buddhist things to balance out my some thing for my TV or something, it was, I was not using the stuff anymore, but suddenly I could read it. I understood it. I saw how it was the same teachings across all religions, and I, it just, something had shifted. And then I saw this acorn, and I saw that the oak was already in the acorn.

The pattern of the oak, the frequency of the oak in the quantum field, if you understand quantum physics and potentiality or platonic forms. All of a sudden it was like, and I saw seeds everywhere, and I saw that everything comes from a seed, every person, every animal, every plant, even I, I would say, and I saw the whole galaxy, the whole universe and evolution is not a process of coming from nothing to something.

It’s a process of what was already involuted. The pattern, the seed, when the conditions are a match for that pattern, when they’re congruent, when they’re in integrity with what’s in the seed, what’s in the seed emerges. The acorn is not an inadequate oak tree. It’s a perfect acorn, but the acorn doesn’t go out and attract an oak or achieve an oak or, put a bunch of oaks pieces together and build an oak.

It surrenders to the soil. And in this case, because it’s indigenous nature does its job of creating the condition that is a match for that seed. That’s why different climates, different seeds, et cetera, and then it emerges. It was already there and it shattered my whole paradigm of how we’re meant to grow.

I realised most of my effort to achieve, to attract, to make something happen was. Total resistance to what was already trying to happen naturally. And when I shifted from making it happen to being more like a gardener or a farmer of my soul, meaning a gardener doesn’t take a seed and go, how can I make a tree or a plant?

It goes, it doesn’t go. How can I make it happen? It says, how can I create the conditions that make it welcome? What is this seed first? I gotta know what it is. ’cause maybe it needs shade and I’m giving it sun. Maybe it needs sun and I’m giving it shade. Maybe it needs a lot of water, a little water, this much food, this kind of food.

If you don’t know what the seed is, it’s a crapshoot and you probably end up with nothing growing. So you gotta know what the seed is and then you have to now find out and create the condition that is a, in service of that seed is a match for that is in integrated or integral to it. So that’s what I became for myself.

As I said earlier, like the Oracle Delphi know thyself and I saw that the first and most important principle is we gotta know who we are. And then instead of me trying to make stuff happen, I was like, let me just remember and know what I am, what I’m made of, what I’m made for. And now let me design my life.

To be increasingly supportive of it, to be a match to it emotionally, physically. If I’m a polar bear and I’ve been living in the desert, no wonder my life sucks. No wonder I’m not thriving, if I’m meant to be in, if I’m a, a bobcat and I’m living in the snow, whatever the case is.

So I began to design my life, not radically, but it also meant certain things I let go of, and certain things I doubled down on. And I went from being broke, broken, literally suicidal, to living in a one room flat to within a year after that rev revelation, that insight to living, moving into a beautiful townhouse, launching my dream mission, making six figures, falling in love, who I eventually married and had children, like my whole life, just went a quantum leap.

I, that’s where I began to go out and teach. Suddenly I was invited here, there, and, what are you doing? How does that work? And it was during the time of law of attraction heyday, and suddenly I had a new principle, the law of emergence and the idea that within you, everything is already there, waiting for you to discover it, waiting for you to honour it, to respect it, to value it.

And again, we might get into this or not, but this is exactly what the great masters and philosophers of, ancient times we’re teaching. Exact same principle. And, but I just began to teach it in a more modern parlance, as the law of emergence. And things have just, grown from there. And what we’ll talk about later, I’m sure is it’s not just about how to reveal your purpose, your potential, how to thrive, how to flourish, and ultimately how to flower.

It’s how do you, how when really terrible things happen, like the forest fires, the tragedies, the breakdowns, when you are coming from this principle in this place, they don’t break you, they break you open like the seed pod in the forest fire. And so it’s, it’s what’s allowed me to thrive, but also to survive through, through dark, dark, dark nights that would have taken down most people.

when you, when your child, when you, your child dies, you die with them. If, and if you’re lucky because it’s the most annihilating, unimaginable pain, an individual can, can even, you can’t even imagine it. And so the, and there’s many experiences like that, having my entire fortune stolen.

People have jumped out of windows for less. But because of this work, it allowed me to shed the skin to dive deeper, to become more loving, more compassionate, more inspired, more abundant. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t still hurt sometimes, but it allowed me to become more of me, not less. That’s the law of emergence in a nutshell.

Or in a, in a corn shell.

[00:30:46] Dwight: Wow. That was, excuse me. That’s amazing though. When I, in a synopsis to, to break it down for me or the listeners, we have everything inside of us, right? But like a seed, we need the proper environment, we need the proper fertiliser, we need the proper amount of good associations.

Those listening associations aren’t just people, it’s the television, it’s news media. Yes. Like you were saying, it’s social media. Yes. It’s what kind of books, what kind of music? Everything. Hundred percent ties into our, what some people will call a soul. Whatever , your flame inside becomes a bonfire if you give it, what it needs.

Exactly. And you have to realise that character building circumstances can be changed as long as you don’t let the learned behaviour of your past or current present life be the catalyst that keeps you stuck.

[00:31:43] Derek: Yes.

[00:31:44] Dwight: Look for the catalyst that’s gonna unstick you. Look for the catalyst that’s get, or the people, associations, they’re gonna teach you that, ABCs.

Right. Action, belief, consistency. That’s what I live my life by. Right? I have to have that ability to hold onto. ’cause like you said, things still come at us, things still get tossed at us. How are you going to show up with that pres presentation of new information that’s been thrown at you? Maybe it’s an, a verbal altercation, maybe it’s an email.

Whatever it is. How are you gonna show up? Are you gonna let it take you back to where you felt. Out of control, right?

[00:32:23] Derek: Yes.

[00:32:23] Dwight: So it’s, we’re a work in project. I’m gonna work on myself to the day I take my last breath.

[00:32:28] Derek: Totally. We are, we are a work, a work in process.

[00:32:30] Dwight: I love what you had to share though.

I loved it. It was

[00:32:32] Derek: great. Yeah. The one thing you said before also about that, is it what you also begin to learn is we have been conditioned to react to conditions and conditions do not determine our destiny. Our character does, and our character is made of habits. That’s why Confucius said all men are equal is their habits that separate them.

And our habits are made of what we do consistently. And what we do consistently is what we’re committed to and what we commit to is what we most value. And if you follow that train, you can see on, if you see honestly from before and after picture before that moment, what I valued was unconscious values.

It was safety or security, or being enough or not looking bad. So that built my, that’s what I was unconsciously committed to. And so if something bad happened or hard happened, I was, my habits of reaction, my character was based on the wounded part of me, or the part that didn’t feel good enough or felt he was lacking or whatever.

And that, and I, and, and that would just perpetuate more and more of that story. After that, after that breakthrough of the law of emergence and understanding what’s already in me, it shifted to asking a different question instead of, before it was, what’s wrong with me? Why is this happening to me? Why are they being such a jerk?

Why, why me, life God, whatever. Now it was a different question. It was like, how would I respond from that seed if I was that already, which I am? How would I respond here? So another way to say it is, imagine you’re already your future self. Pull your future self into the present and ask, how would I respond if I was that individual?

That’s how the, the oak breaks through the acorn, not because it’s acting like a little acorn reacting to the world, but because it’s acting as an oak. It’s coming from the oak of its being at the level that it can, I’m a very, very tiny oak, but this tiny oak is still gonna be open, not acorn. And so as I oak, I bust open the acorn and I become a little flush of, of a, of a tiny little seedling.

And so the same thing is true here is, it’s like the, the analogy of a plant. You put a plant in a little pot. It doesn’t go and look at all the bigger pots and go, why don’t I have a bigger pot? What’s wrong with me? Why are they doing that? Why? It goes, okay, here I am. But its seed, its pattern knows it’s a tree.

And so it acts like a tree in that little pot, and it doesn’t act like a little tiny plant. And it starts digging its roots, extending its branches, looking for nourishment, turning to the sun, and it soaks up every bit of nutrient it can get. And what happens? It starts being as much of a tree that it can be in that little pot.

What happens? It outgrows that plant, that pot, and it gets replanted in a bigger pot, and then it does it again until it gets set free in the field where it’s a full-blown tree. That’s because it’s acting from its seed, its pattern, its true nature, which is on a tree. Am an oak, oak, I’m a flower, whatever.

So when I got that shift, it began to shift it so that I was, like you said, part of it was, okay, well I know what I am now. Let me design my life so that it’s congruent with that. And, and the important thing to understand is nature is indigenous, meaning it’s, it is beholden to where it’s planted, but we are endogenous.

That means we carry, we are we, we are like a walking greenhouse. We create our own conditions, not just externally, but internally, mentally, emotionally, where we put our attention versus here versus there where attention goes, energy flows, all of that is under our control. Where do I put my attention?

Where do I focus? What do I, what do I think about versus not? What do I do versus not do? How do I, what a feeling do I entertain versus not? All of that is in our capacity. And when you understand that you are self effulgent, you create your own light, you create your own nutrients no matter what side of the tracks you’re planted on, no matter what size pot you’re planted in, if you are willing to act from.

From you’re, you’re not coming, you’re not on your way to a better something. The, the branch isn’t on its way to the tree. The wave isn’t on its way to the ocean. The sunbeam isn’t on its way to the sun. Everything emerges from, and so if you begin to act from what you really are, even a little bit, and you design a life, as you said, and I say not on accident, but on purpose, intentionally, not perfectly, but as a practise, if I really loved myself, if I really believed I was what I want to be, what I feel inside of me that wants to come out, if I understood that desire means of the desire of the stars, of the father, of the creator, and, and that that desire in me is not something I need to go out and get, but it’s something in me trying to get out.

If I was willing to believe that just a little bit, faith of a grain of mustard seed, how would I treat myself today? How would I show up today? What would I start doing? What would I stop doing? Just a little bit, a little leaf pokes through the concrete. A little seedling flushes through the seed and you feel it.

And then evolutionarily, we were adapted for this. It kicks in neurochemicals and you feel good, you feel inspired, you feel a little rush of serotonin or, or, some other neurochemical and you have more momentum to do the next thing the next day. So that’s that. And you discover little by little it coming from you.

And I’ll finish with this just on, not finished, but on this idea. The true meaning of abundance is not, this is the difference again, between attraction and emergence. We’re playing on that subject. Attraction is the idea. You’re lacking something, but if you think the right thoughts, it’ll come to you.

Emergence is the understanding that everything you desire is a signal of something already in you. It’s the baby kicking the pregnant mother. It’s like something’s in me that wants to come out and it requires me, as we already said, feed the baby, give it the right nutrition and act from that. The pregnant mother doesn’t start going, oh my God, I want a baby so bad.

And then why won’t anybody love me and help me have a baby? No. She starts acting like a mother. She starts building the nursery. She starts doing Kegels. She starts doing whatever it she’s acting. That’s why faith without works is dead. Just a vision without a plan is a fantasy. A plan that’s not on your calendar is wishful thinking, but it’s not acting to make it happen.

This is the big important distinction ’cause we all know about, in the success, self-help world, action, action, action. The problem is a lot of action is coming from lack and limitation and fear. And if I just do, do, do, do, do. Well, if you just do, do do, do, do. You’re gonna have a bunch of do, do you have to act from the faith from it is so I am, I can.

It’s already happening. And as a result of that, it emerges like a fruit tree doesn’t sit there and wait for birds to come around and hang fruit on its branches. The fruit emerges from the tree. So real abundance and even real character and success is the degree to which you allow more of you to come out right?

At the end of the day, the end of the year, the end of a lifetime, you, your measurement of success and abundance will not be in how many possessions you’ve attracted or achieved, but how much more possession and expression you have of yourself. That’s real success. That’s real fulfilment. That’s real wealth.

And that’s all within your power, no matter where you’ve come from or what you’re facing.

[00:41:40] Dwight: Wow. In a, a nutshell, for those listening are watching, one of the things that most of humankind, mankind, or very lacking is awareness. Self-awareness. Yes. To know that you have the potential inside of you.

Now what do you do?

[00:41:59] Derek: Yes.

[00:42:00] Dwight: Oh,

[00:42:00] Derek: exactly.

[00:42:01] Dwight: I think I can, I think I can do that. Ah, maybe another day I’ll think about it again.

[00:42:07] Derek: Yes.

[00:42:07] Dwight: They don’t put in, they don’t necessarily, they’re not lazy. So many people get labelled by the terminology, though, that person’s lazy. Sometimes it’s circumstances of their learned behaviour from their a hundred percent to where they are now.

And nobody’s ever mentored them a hundred percent. Say, Hey, what? can be that acorn. We can give you the right environment so that you will sprout so that eventually you’ll be oaking. Right. And not unicorn. Right. So,

[00:42:33] Derek: not, not exactly not acorn, right.

[00:42:35] Dwight: Acorn? Pardon me?

[00:42:37] Derek: You want a unicorn? No, you can unicorn.

[00:42:39] Dwight: Yeah. Okay. I’ll just put that outta my bald head. Um, but any, we’ve got so much more to discuss and we got 10 minutes left, so I am wondering if we just continue on, because I, I, I have a segment I wanted to talk about your new book, A whole new human. Yes. And yeah, so much more in depth.

I’m used to people, this is not a slight, this is a congratulations. thank you very much giving you’re very articulate. Not to say any of my other guests aren’t, but you’re very into the flow of the conversation. And I don’t want to start into something more and then feel like we’re rushing through it.

So at this point, I think we should continue what we continue. This conversation of law of emergence can go on for its own episode

[00:43:26] Derek: for

[00:43:26] Dwight: sure. So we can continue to talk about that. Everything

[00:43:30] Derek: comes from the emergence principle, ultimately. Course, when

[00:43:33] Dwight: you understand

[00:43:33] Derek: that princip,

[00:43:34] Dwight: what I want the listeners, I want the listeners to know about your other projects, though your other books, and you’re just too much of, you’re not coal.

You’re that diamond that I wanna make sure gets ability to shine, right? . To make, thank you. Obviously, you’ve been on so many shows, you don’t need me to make your case for what you offer, but my listeners deserve to have the best experience of you. And thus far it’s been amazing. It’s just that, yeah, literally I’ve got, we’re on segment two and I got, I go up to segment, six and yeah, it’s not because.

I don’t find the fact that we, I just don’t wanna rush that part. Right, totally. I’m with you, man. Let’s touch some. So I would love to, listeners, I’m asking ’em right now. I’d love to get us booked in as soon as possible. Do to do a part two. We’ll finish off the last nine, 10 minutes here in regards to just asking you some more questions about the law of emergence and Sure.

You mentioned about your son, right? You lost your son. I know. That’s really different from what I went through with loss. I lost my granddaughter. We were so close. She was four years of age when she passed away in 2017. And it, it affected me, my, my friend, a lot. It affected my business. It affected my, I went, I regressed, I don’t know if that’s the right word, but I regressed to a point where my self-awareness had gone away.

The things I’d done through personal development, the different processes I had to find myself and get myself back. And, and 2017 was an epiphany moment when I got into 2018, looking back and realising, what I, I, I’ve been living a pity party. Right? What good is that to me, not necessarily the people around me.

I needed to heal me because we really can’t serve others without serving ourselves and healing and understanding and having that awareness. And I literally, my listeners have heard me talk about this lots, but I literally coach and teach on never having a bad day. I haven’t had a bad day now in eight years.

And people say, that’s impossible. You’ve had to have death around you with your clients. And yeah, I said, absolutely, but I always know that it’s never a bad day because there’s so much good things that I’m discounting Yes. Which is affecting my six inches between my ears, which is affecting my inability.

It’s making me have an inability to take action, to take ownership, and to stop letting outside influences again, go back to the associations. I let things come back into my life that, um, weren’t good. Right? Yeah. And I, and I literally slid, but the reason I bring this up is because I don’t care where you are in your life.

Those listening are watching. You can pick yourself up, dust yourself off, put a bandaid on the booboo, take that first baby step, like, you know, Derek was talking about, you gotta start somewhere. Right. And that is the first thing is, is being aware and being the willing. Right? Yeah. People get, people hate when I say that.

Well, when I talk to people, whether it’s on my finance side or I’m just coaching them, depending on where they are in the world, I’ll say to them, are you the willing? You told me all this stuff and that’s great. Now, are you willing to go through the tough stuff? Are you willing to have that? Oh my gosh, I’ve never really acknowledge that.

Now I’m acknowledging it and it really hurts. Beat off that pain. It doesn’t mean it has to hold you back. Use it as a catalyst. Yeah. As an extra piece of wood on the fire. I don’t know what you feel about that, but I’d love you to share more about, again, sorry for your loss. I don’t know how you lost your son.

I can’t compare the losing a child as a grandchild, but yet

[00:47:19] Derek: Well, it’s still pretty intense. I mean, that means you had a child who lost a child.

[00:47:23] Dwight: Yes. My oldest daughter has, has regressed, has never been the same.

[00:47:28] Derek: Yeah, right.

[00:47:28] Dwight: Current

[00:47:29] Derek: as a parent who had a child lose a child, that’s gets pretty darn close. and no, it’s not a competition.

some people, well,

[00:47:36] Dwight: I wasn’t trying to make that.

[00:47:37] Derek: No, I know. I’m just saying for everybody else, so if you, if you break your toe really bad and your friend breaks their leg, it, they both really hurt. So, what, what are you gonna do? if some people lose their animal, their dog or their cat, and they’re just devastated for a long time.

’cause it was like a child to them. But my son was, he was the, my greatest love. And, I mean, I have another child as well. I have a daughter who became a boy. So that was also another journey, which was I lost my son and then I lost my daughter in a different way.

[00:48:12] Dwight: Wow.

[00:48:13] Derek: and, but I love my, child, whatever form they take, as long as they’re, if I can be with them, I’m good.

but yeah, it was just, it was devastating and annihilating beyond what, what you can ever put words to. But you could probably begin to put some words because you’ve experienced some very painful loss as well. And I cried every day, every day. Didn’t miss a day for three years straight. And, he was in his twenties, so he was an adult.

And in some ways, which was even harder, I was very grateful that I almost got a quarter of a century with him. But, there’s also that much more of a relationship. And when, and one of the things that, to be apropos to this conversation that was in some ways almost more devastating than his death was that he was right on the verge of living his dreams.

And he was a musician and a dj, and he had wanted so badly to finally break out. And he’d gone through so many struggles. He finally was about to go play at a big festival. It was a big deal. And he was, I’d never heard him more joyful, more excited and more happy. His dreams were finally coming true.

And he died before he got a chance to play. And it was like, it put a fire in me on a whole new level of I will not let anybody die with their music in them if I can help it. And so that’s that same thing. There’s a fire in us all. There’s a song in us all. There’s, a life and a love and a purpose and a service and an activation of potential within all of us.

And my belief is that is the meaning of our life. And the meaning of life is to actualize and give forth the fullest possible expression of your true nature and potential. The flower blooms, the tree branches, , the birds sing that are, we’re here. In fact, in Sanskrit, the word human means the dispenser of divine gifts.

And so we are, we have a, we came, people, when you’re a kid, if you started to feel all into yourself, somebody might say, who do you think you are? God’s gift to the world, man. And it’s like, now I would say, yeah, who do you think you are? Don’t you know that? so we really are a gift and, we’ve come already fully loaded, factory loaded with gifts, talents, abilities, with so much potential to love and to serve and to bless and to uplevel and uplift and to make a person’s day better.

And in fact, you wanna know a recipe for feeling better. Serve somebody. You wanna know a recipe for feeling worse, just focus on your own stuff and problems. I’m not saying don’t love yourself and serve yourself. You need to do that. You need to take the oxygen mask first. But, we are ultimately at our best when we are putting all of our fruits, all of our flowering in service, of something else.

That was the biggest breakthrough for my son was it just, it was, it put such a fire in me. And then the other most important piece, which gets around to the emergence piece again, is, and, and the flip of the tragedies and the losses and the shattering of forms and things that we think was a terrible thing that happened to us.

One day I was walking and I was feeling the wave of grief really, really, really badly. And, and all of a sudden something shifted in me and this voice spoke in me. And it said, when the form that held your love shatters, the love is not lost. It is liberated. And suddenly I saw the love that was held in the form of my son, in the form of father and son.

And that form was shattered and there was, but the love was still there and it was expanding and it filled me. And I began to just sob, but with love and then laugh. I looked like a crazy person. And the expanded, expanded, expanded, expanded until I had the experience of not just the love of a father for his son, but the love of father and son, like archetypal, mythic level love.

And it began to shift everything in my life again. That when, when the form of something shatters, if you’re focused on how is this happening for me? What is the opportunity for me to be more as a result of this? Not less, you will become more, when the chicken is stuck in the little egg, it doesn’t know anything but that little egg.

That’s its world. And it’s a big world at first, but then it becomes a small world because the chicken grows the baby chick and then it runs out of food. Now it’s starving and it’s cramped and it’s, world is full of all of its refuge and poop, and it smells so it’s cramped, it’s stuck, it’s smelly, it’s hungry.

I mean, this life sucks or so it seems. But as a result, instead of focusing on why me, why is this happening to me? It’s not fair. The, that little baby chick intuitively and instinctively starts focusing on where is the nourishment, where is the good? Let me just look. For every little bit of morsel of good, of nourishment, lemme just focus on getting nourished.

And it just does that, and it starts pecking, looking for every little last bit of food and it feeds itself. But as a result of focusing on where’s the opportunity, where’s the value, where’s the opportunity? How can I keep being me and keep living? It strengthens its neck and wing muscles. It strengthens its lungs, it gets stronger, more strength than it needs in a little leg, and it starts to crack the shell.

All of that happens because it focuses on where’s the opportunity, where’s the good, where’s the blessing? And it cracks the shell and it’s liberated into a much larger world. So its world ends just before it ends fully. It’s liberated into a larger world. If it did what we do, why me? What’s wrong with me?

Whose fault is it? It would’ve just died inside that little leg and thought that was the whole world. But in fact, there was a much larger world. And so I would lead people with that idea that whatever you’ve been through, whatever you’re going through, and growing through. Remember, whatever seeming form in your life, your lack of money, your smaller bank account, your struggling body or relationship or business or lack of business, or as you move into the AI age and loss, business loss and fear, just remember, you are inside of a small egg right now.

You’re inside of a box, and that that’s that. What’s happening is something more, a bigger life, a bigger love, a greater understanding or expression of wealth and abundance or health, et cetera, is actually what’s behind the breakdown. The loss, the lack or the limitation. Life is trying to emerge more. But because of resistance, because of limited beliefs, because of that’s just the way it is.

It shows up in your life as a pain, as a crisis, as a problem, as a breakdown. But the meaning of it is more of you is trying to break through and I invite you to just put your attention on, don’t ask why me? Why is this happening? Who did it? Whose fault? But ask, what is the larger life trying to emerge in me now?

What is the bigger self trying to emerge in me now? Who am I really being called to be and who would I be if I was on the other side of this? And then act from that place as a practise a little bit every day. And do that between now and the next time we talk, we, and I promise you, things will begin to break through and emerge.

[00:56:44] Dwight: I love it. I wanna respect your time because I know you have to get going. So I hope you’ll come back on again very soon. I love to like within days, so we can do a part two. I would love, but to wrap this, I appreciate that and I will email you all the information so we can get that booked. Because I’m blown away and we’ve only gone through I get what you’re saying.

Everything comes from emergence.

[00:57:09] Derek: Yes.

[00:57:09] Dwight: But there’s still everything you’ve done because of emergence deserves to have a spotlight on it, right? You deserve to have more of a spotlight on you. And I wanna learn more. I’m gonna be, I’m gonna be honest with the listeners. I’ve told ’em before, this is my show.

I’m the prof, I’m the professor bringing on a guest lecturer, somebody that’s gonna educate and teach me more to be better and grow. And guess what? Listeners and people watching you get to benefit from the fact of my curiosity and the fact that I have an insatiable need to learn and grow. So we have so much

[00:57:42] Derek: that’s swear.

We’re also brothers from another mother for

[00:57:44] Dwight: sure. I agree. I agree. Do what, one last statement, that when I just about interrupted you, when you said Let the music die inside, my kids have been telling me since they’re younger, my clients, everybody says, why do you always say that you don’t want the music to die inside of you?

You don’t even play music anymore. I said, you don’t get it. Our life is a, as a song, it gives off energy, it’s a vibration, it’s music. And that’s why I’ve got my podcast. I’ve got my book, why I’ve Got the Things I’ve done, because it’s a living legacy. I’m creating a living legacy, understanding that I don’t want my music to be left behind.

I want to be known generations from now by my great, great great grandkids. Yes. Hey, my great-great-great grandpa was pretty cool, right? So, yeah.

[00:58:29] Derek: Totally man. Totally.

[00:58:29] Dwight: Anyway,

[00:58:30] Derek: I just saw that. I just flashed and saw that actually.

[00:58:33] Dwight: Oh, I just,

[00:58:34] Derek: the universe is called a universe. That means one song.

[00:58:38] Dwight: Exactly.

But you and I are so much alike, it’s just, I really honestly love this what you said, brother from another mother. So, Derek, I want to take this quick moment just ’cause some people might not make it to the second episode. What’s the best way that they can reach out to you?

[00:58:56] Derek: Yeah, I mean, obviously people can go to my website, Derek Rydel, R-Y-D-A-L l.com.

There’s lots of free trainings on there. I I give away 98% of my stuff. They can of course go to the Emergence podcast, or they can go to my YouTube channel, Derek Rydel, legendary Life. There’s dozens and dozens of hours of training and talks about what we’ve talked about and more. You can go down rabbit holes.

I would start whatever one calls to you. You like YouTube, go there. You like podcasts, go there, you’re on a podcast right now. You can just pop over to emergence and, check it out. or go to my site and get one of the free trainings that I give away. And, but I would, before we talk, I would encourage people to do that because we are entering into a brave new world.

Maybe. We’ll, and we’ll talk about this our next time.

[00:59:48] Dwight: Yes.

[00:59:49] Derek: We’ll, it’s most, one of the most existential periods in human history, one of the greatest identity crises we’ll ever face. So, tune in next time, because we need to prepare so that we can Oh, absolutely. We can make a big difference in this brave new world,

[01:00:03] Dwight: a hundred percent.

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